I obviously wasn't the only Seery who did some work at Charleville. This is my grandfather.
My first piece of local history ‘research’ was on Charleville House in Enniskerry. As a student working there during summers, I was smitten with the elegant grandeur of the house and the stunning gardens, fabulously restored. Using Enniskerry Library as a research base, I punched out four pages, double spacing, on my Commodore Amiga and was ready to present it to my employers and the world. Luckily for me, them, and the authors of the books I had likely plagiarised from, the file corrupted before I could print it. Twenty years later, using similar techniques to the first time, I am going to try again…
The best view of Charleville House, Enniskerry is undoubtedly from Powerscourt Avenue. Here we see the Palladian villa nestled in its woodland setting. But its location, so close to Powerscourt begs an obvious question—how did such a grand house on its own estate end up being so close to Powerscourt? Why does Enniskerry have two great estate houses? Like many questions that arise about our locality, they are answered by Rev AE Stokes in his 1963 lecture. In this he asks;
How came it that Flower and his relations the Moncks managed to hold on to about a thousand acres at Glencap?
The answer, like most questions of land, go back deep in time, probably to post-Norman invasion. In the jostling of land ownership through the medieval era, the lands around the Dargle passed in and out of ownership of O’Tooles, then Strongbow’s man de Ridelesford, then de Cogan, and then crucially—part of the lands at least—to the Archbishop of Dublin. After a time when no records exist in the 15th and 16th centuries, the lands in the territory formerly known as Fercullen, were granted to Richard Wingfield who would become Viscount Powerscourt. However, Wingfield and his descendants had no claim to the lands south of the Dargle in this area, as they had been granted to the Archbishop of Dublin centuries earlier. After Cromwell, these lands were granted to Sir William Flower, one of his officers. One of Flower’s descendants, Agneta, married Charles Monck in 1705, who had inherited lands at Grangegorman in Dublin. It was they or their first son George Monck who built a house at Charleville, and the Moncks would be resident there for the next two hundred and fifty years.
Charleville, Enniskerry, (H. Brocas, 1762 - 1837).
The present house at Charleville was not the first house there. About 100 metres to the left of the house there is a large hollow in the ground where a previous house stood. This burned down in 1792 and practically nothing is known about it. The picture shown is attributed to Henry Brocas and is thought to be the original house, but it is not certain whether this is the case, or whether it is a plan for what the new house could look like. Desmond Guinness mentions in Irish Houses and Castles that the stables to the rear could pre-date the current house, so they may belong to the older one.
Charleville (links to NIAH website)
In any case, the present house at Charleville and its pretty gate lodges were built in 1797 by Charles Stanley Monck, the nephew of George, whose only son had died aged six. Having voted for the Act of Union, Charles became 1st Viscount Monck in 1801. Powerscourt, one of only five Lords who voted against Union can’t have been too pleased with his neighbour’s actions—he reportedly told one of the king’s messengers who came to offer him a marquess (roughly equivalent to an earldom) in return for support for the Union that he would not be bribed (one version of the story has Powerscourt kicking the messenger down the stairs!). Charles died the following year, and his son Henry continued improvements at Charleville; most notably significant development before the royal visit in 1821 in the hope that King George IV might visit when he came to Powerscourt. These developments provide the origins of the Regency interiors at Charleville. The king didn’t visit, which must have been disappointing, but Henry did become 1st Earl of Rathdowne the following year—not a bad compensation prize!
Lady Elizabeth Monck, one of the eleven daughters of Henry, 2nd Viscount. She married her cousin, Charles 4th Viscount.
As Henry had no living sons (but 11 daughters), when he died in 1848, the Earldom went with him. His brother became 3rd Viscount for a year until his own death in 1849, and his son, Charles, became 4th Viscount for almost the remainder of the century, until 1894. Charles married his cousing—one of Henry’s 11 daughters who had lost out on their inheritance because of their gender. He was Governor General of Canada from 1861 – 1868. The last Monck to live at Charleville was Charles’ son, Henry, 5th Viscount who died in 1927. As he was pre-deceased by his two sons and his only brother, he was the last Viscount Monck. There are extensive files in the National Library for the Monck family.
What of the neighbourly relations between the Powerscourts and Moncks? It is improbable that Richard 4th Viscount Powerscourt (1762-1809) was on good terms with Charles 1st Viscount Monck (1754-1802) given their divergent views on Act of Union. It was Richard, 5th Viscount who secured the King’s visit in 1821 but who watched his neighbour become Earl in the following year. By the time of the 1825 Irish Education Enquiry, we have evidence to show that Lady (Countess) Rathdowne, wife of the 2nd Viscount Monck took a great interest in the education of their tenantry—specifically the religious education. She was friends with Lady Powerscourt, wife of the 6th Viscount and they both met regularly with Reverend Daly to discuss spiritual matters. The trio were a tour de force for evangelical religious education in the parish.
There are notes to suggest that in the middle of the 1800s, there was a land agreement between Monck (probably 4th Viscount) and Powerscourt (probably Guardians acting on his behalf) which caused some disquiet in the community. This may not reflect neighbourly relations though, more just good business sense. The long lives of Mervyn 7th Viscount Powerscourt and Charles 4th Viscount Monck means they must have had dealings with each other over the second half of the century. There was an incident recorded in the Powerscourt Guardian minute books in the 1850s regarding whether an additional public house should be allowed in the village. Monck (in favour) and Powerscourt (against) differed in their views.
However, other than what I have mentioned, I have come across very little about Moncks from the Powerscourt perspective. He is occasionally mentioned on lists of subscribers for local charities, and occasionally sat at Enniskerry Courthouse as Petty Sessions judge. But otherwise, he does not seem to have been much involved in village life. I suppose it can’t have been easy to do so, given Powerscourt was landlord of all around him, including the village.
I am a second year mature student at NUIM. I am studying The Big House in Ireland, and I would like to do a survey of History in relation to Charleville house and the Monck Family in particular Lady Elizabeth Monck. Would there be family papers, newspaper articles, dairies etc. I would appreciate any assistance with respect to this. Thank you.
Regards,
Elaine Morrow
Hi Elaine,
There’s a book called ‘The Moncks and Charleville House’, by Elisabeth Batt, which could be worth a look. Also, there’s an extensive collection of Monck papers at the National Library. There is an index to the collection, which you’ll find on sources.nli.ie.
Good luck, look forward to seeing what you come up with.
Michael
Michael,
Thank you for that information will contact NLI. Were could I get the book, can I get it on loan?
Regards andf thank you,
Elaine
Hi Elaine
I’ve seen Batt’s book in most Wicklow libraries. Given its content, I’d be surprised if it isn’t in Maynooth. The Monck papers from what I remember are extensive, as one of them was Governor General of Canada, but there’s a finding aid (No. 4) to their contents which might help you isolate out the papers relating to Elizabeth – probably in the family papers section.
The finding aid is online as a PDF:
http://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000041575
Good luck,
M
Michael,
Sorry I am just getting back and thank you for your reply. This information is of great assistance will check the library in nuim. Will keep you posted on now I am getting on!
Thank you,
Regards
Elaine
Hi Michael,
I have decided to take a different aspect to my project as I am having difficulty tracing appropriate information on Elizabeth. I am going to focus on Frances Monck (Lady Rathdowne) and her invlovement in the Education Enquiry 1825. Any assistance with this would be of great help.
Again, thanking you!
Elaine
Hi Elaine,
Yes I did a good but on the 1825 inquiry and put it in the book. Happy to meet up with you to discuss. Lady Rathdowne was certainly a powerful player there although might be hard to find material directly related to here (i.e. a lot of it is second hand). It’s a topic I am veru interested in myself so would be glad to discuss. enniskerrylocalhistory@gmail.com
Michael
Hi Michael,
Thank you for your reply. Would love to meet up and discuss further. Would you be free next Friday morning? (16th). If it does not suit no problem and maybe we could arrange another time?
Again thank you and look forward to meeting with you.
Regards.
Elaine
Hi Michael,
Sorry I am just getting back to you and thank you for the information, will check library at NUIM. I will keep you posted on my research.
Thank you,
regards
Elaine
I am trying to find out if the Buckleys of Enniskerry are an old Irish family or came in from England, perhaps in 1653 or thereabouts certainly in the early 20h century they were protestants My grandfather Francis Buckley owned and ran the Powerscourt Arms when it burned down and later., Can either of you, Michael or Elaine tell me where I might look – also Michael I should like to buy or download a copy of your book Enniskerry Archives…. 2013Temperley Brian
I am Canadian a descendent of an Irishman named William Mulvaney. According to family history Mulvaney was coachman at Charleville house and eloped with Lord Monck’s eldest daughter Lady Anne Florinda. She had a child at 16 years of age, John Mulveney who was born around 1823 about the time Viscount Monck was elevated by George IV as Earl of Rathdowne. It would have been a scandal had the truth of Lady Anne Florinda’s elopement become public and so she was sent off to Canada with her child where she arranged for her son to be raised with her father’s support and then returned to Charleville around five years later. Reading Elisabeth Batt’s (nee Monck) book was enlightening where Lord Monck was very concerned with his other ten daughter’s virtue but paid little attention to his eldest daughter Anne Florinda. She never married but did raise her sister’s child and moved in with her brother in law William Smythe after her father’s death at Barbavilla, Westneath. That itself raised another scandal and Lady Anne and her unmarried sisters were known as Smythe’s “harem”. I assume Lady Anne Florinda lived there until her death in 1876, twelve years after her son John Mulveney died in Toronto in 1863 in a pauper’s grave a victim of consumption. The Mulveney’s in Canada were always staunch Methodist I assume because of the Monck tradition, unlike most of the Irish immigration to Canada at the time. It is ironic that her sister Lady Elizabeth Monck came to Canada at the same time as wife of the first Governor of Canada. Lady Anne Florinda never accepted the invitation of her sister to visit Canada.
I wonder if it would be possible to trace the Mulvaney family in the area of county Wicklow to see if I could identify my ancestors.
Although the Monck family history sounds something like the television series, Downton Abbey, where similar stories are related I would like to verify some of the family history passed down through two centuries in Canada.
Larry Dunn
Hi Larry…..My name is Daniel King and I live in Hamilton, Ontario. I have recently discovered that I am also a descendant of William Mulveney and Lady Anne Florinda Monck. My mother’s maiden name was Elizabeth Mulveney and her family primarily resided in the Muskoka Lakes area of Ontario. Her great, great grand parents were William Mulveney and Louisa Last Mulveney, the former being the son of John Mulveney (and Margaret Johnston Mulveney). John Mulveney, I believe was the son of William Mulveney (the coachman) and Lady Anne Florinda Monck. I would be delighted to explore my ancestry further as I find it all highly intriguing. I have a lot of info regarding my branch of the Canadian Mulveneys and would like to learn more. A lot of my info can be found on my Facebook page or I can be contacted at danielking50@acanac.net. Hope to hear from you!
Hi Larry,
I have a family connection to the Monck’s of Charleville. If you would like to contact me I will tell you more. My e mail is sallylymer26@btinternet.com
Sally
I also have a family connection to Lord Charles Stanley Monck. My ancestor, William Mills, traveled with him from Ireland to Quebec, Canada in 1861. I’m researching to find out how they were connected to one another. Please contact me at michellekolbe@hushmail.com
Thank you.
You mention in your commentary that the wife of 6th Lord Powerscourt met with Robert Daly – I think you likely should say wife of 5th Lord Powerscourt. & step mother of 6th …